recent controversial speech
the Foreign Correspondents' Club of
Jonathan Head :
Tonightís programme eh should be a very spicy discussion of the
contemporary state of Thai politics from Khun Jakrapop Penkair and Ajarn
Worapol who heís brought with him from the united front against
dictatorship and democracy, the group that has been mounting street
protests eh against the current government in Thailand.
Before we get into tonightís programme, em can I just run through a couple
of upcoming events eh at the club. Tomorrow, is it tomorrow? Yes tomorrow
we have a em a Taiwanese evening this is a discussion of Taiwanís rather
Taiwanís rather unique place in Asia em it is an weíve got a buffet dinner
that is being sponsored by the Taipei economic and cultural office here in
Thailand and a couple of the best informed eh commentators and academics
on Taiwan coming to give us an insight into where Taiwan fits into Asiaís
economy and what itís future is given itís very problematic relationship
with China so for those of you who want to get better informed on Taiwan
tonight tomorrow is the time to come down to the club.
Em later on just as an advanced warning of, of one of our programmes
coming up next month in the series of international films that we have
been showing in co-operation with different embassies here in Thailand to
give you a flavor of the sort of films you would never see otherwise.
We have a Polish film coming up on Thursday the 13th of September. This
film is called Moi Nikifor em it is a very intense take eh on the
biographical film on one of Polandís folk artists from eh the early part
of the last century. Eh it will be an evening that also The Polish embassy
will be serving up some of the very famous eh bison grass vodka that you
can get in the eastern part of Poland which is a very strong incentive to
come although I am told the film is fantastic.
And we also have an evening on Khmer architecture and eh particularly
architecture of the 50ís and 60ís eh much of it still intact in in
Cambodia on September the 26th thatís a Wednesday.
Em so letís get back to tonightís programme, weíre very privileged to have
with us, Jakrapop Penkair many people will remember him as one of the
spokesmen during the administration of Thaksin Shinawatra, one of the more
available as far as journalists are concerned spokesman a very outspoken
spokesman. Previously one of the bright stars of the Thai Foreign
Ministry, eh since the military coup last year, heís become of the most
public faces of the movement that is campaigning against the current
government and against a whole consequences of the coup em a movement
which culminated in a protest outside Prem Tinsulanondaís house back at
the end of June eh which resulted in Khun Jakrapop and some of his
colleagues being dragged off to jail and in fact giving his time in prison
weíve had quite a difficult time organizing this evening , we will quite
sure at what point he would be out of jail and very lucky to have him here
to give us an insight to the alternative view em to the one being
portrayed by the CNS in their plan to turn Thailand to Democracy.
And eh with Khun Jakrapop, we have Ajarn Worapol from Thammasat
University, heís also connected to the UDD, he tells me heís not actually
a member. Heís here to give us his own take on what is gone wrong with
Thailand in the last year.
Eh I should add there are we understand possible legal constraints on what
eh Khun Jakrapop is allowed to say to us tonight although heís assured me
beforehand heís feeling very brave and heíll probably say what he feels
like, so when we actually come to questions and answers eh who actually is
able to answer your question may depend on whether Khun Jakrapop feels
itís going to send him straight back to jail.
Anyway over to you two. Either you Khun Jakrapop or Khun Ajarn Worapol
whoever wants to start.
Alright, thank you Jonathan. Distinguished members and friends.
Well I just want to be more specific on what I had just been through so
you understand my situation.
I just got out of Khun Premís jail. Itís not a General
jail. Itís Khun Premís jail.
Itís Khun Premís direct way of communicating to the
public that he is not to be touched.
Who is Khun Prem, whom he
represents, whether or not he represents him, would be a part of what we
can discuss tonight because it involve the current and future of
Thailandís democracy as you know because most of you here have been
already quite knowledgeable about Thailand and itís complex and
unnecessary headache situation in Thai politics.
Jonathan gave me a huge issue on Democracy and Patronage system of
Thailand as a part of a discussion on Thailandís democratization.
IĎll try to handle it in the best possible way.
In fact eh considering the current situation of Thailand no topic can be
more relevant to Thailand these days.
Current political crisis in my opinion is the clash between Democracy and
Patronage system directly.
Itís a head on clash.
And this would change Thailand and its foundations.
The stake is very high for both sides, I mean Democracy and Patronage; and
if you take the result of the August 19th referendum seriously, you are
observing the clash between the 56% and the 41% of the entire population.
Never before has such a high number of people came out to say that we no
longer need your Patronage.
Itís simply Democracy that we want not someone to pat in the back, not
someone to say that well Iíll make your life a little better, but you
should feel more grateful to it.
Itís the time of real changes should be the natural right of the people of
Thailand no less than most people in a more developed land.
I believe we can see this in a life time, the complete change that has
started at this very moment.
Well, however we have started of as a country in Patronage system.
Most of you who read about Thailand and itís brief history, because we
decided to count our history 700 years ago and disregard the 300 years
before that because it involved the Southern complexity.
Thatís why the history was chosen to start 700 years ago in Sukothai
period where Sukothai was the capital city of what would become Thailand.
In Sukothai at least in one the reigns of the Sukothai long history, we
were led to know and believe that one of the Kings during Sukothai period,
King Ramkamheang at the time to be more precisely.
Great brother oh Iím sorry
Great Father Ramkamheang at the time because the idea of God like
monarch hasnít arrived in this land yet during the Sukothai period.
So he was or they were observed and regarded as the Great Fathers who
could be benevolent to their people and gave the people what the people
needed at the time.
One of the noted examples was that Great Father Ramkamheang or
King Ramkamheang just to be short proposed to have a bell hung in
front of his palace and anybody with specific problems could come and ring
that bell and he or his people would come out and handle the problems.
That was one of the first lessons the Thai students learnt about Thai
political regime that you have someone to depend upon.
When you have a problem turn to someone who can help you, so before we
know it, we are led into the Patronage system because we asked about
dependency before our own capability to do things.
These are the very basic concept that makes Thai people different from
many peoples around the world.
So we started of like that, during the Sukothai period we had Kings that
did things like that.
So people had duty to be loyal,
people had duty to have faith in the system bestowed on them because that
was the working system at that time and there was no competing system.
In other words, there was not there was no better idea on how a kingdom
could be run so that it was the best system at the time.
Later on in Ayuthaya period, that was the capital city of a land
for 400 and some years, the God like idea of
monarch had been introduced with the Khmer civilizationís
influence. The idea of a King as a Demi-God as a representative from the
Hindu Gods and the Gods beyond these Hindu Gods had arrived in our land at
So the Patronage system of helping people or being dependable for people
had been changed into the state of protection.
If you have loyalty to the King,
unquestionable loyalty to the King, you would be protected, in order to
show this protection more clearly, people who do otherwise must be
So the very system in Ayuthaya period shows or showed that there was an
evolution of the system, some people might call it regressive, some people
would call it progressive. Whatever it might be in your opinion, it was a
combination between the benevolence of the Great
Fathers model and the Great Leaders
model. In other words, the Kings of
Ayuthaya were powerful and the concept of power were realized
at the time that if people in power could be benevolent, you could benefit
from that power as well. In other words Ayuthaya period taught Thai people
to live with power, how to live with it. How to survived in it, and how
not to be destroyed by it. But Ayuthaya period also triggered the new
relationships in a land, the master slave relationship, the noble and
commoners relationship. That was Ayuthaya.
Then came Rattanakosin period,
I would eh bypass the 12 years of Thonburi period. In Rattanakosin
period, in which we are now.
The Chakri Dynasty was the starter of this
so called Rattanakorin Rattanakosin period.
What it it is? Itís a combination of Ayuthaya and the new skills of what I
would like to call knowledge management.
In other words, the glory of the chief father is combined with the power
of Ayuthaya period and the Demi-God stature of the monarchs has been added
during Rattanakosin period with the so-called knowledge management.
Knowledge is power at that time, it was perceived so. Thatís why
King Mongkut spoke English in his court and he introduced
science and probably technologies, inventions, foreign goods that were
completely unknown to Thai people at that time. As one of the sources of
his powers King Mongkut was seen not
as a benevolent King, not as the best of the chief Father King but as the
Father of science and technology. Heís still regarded that way.
So in other words, the system in Thailand has been to the point that
leaders and rulers have been finding the best way possible at that time to
convince people that they are dependable. The sources of their being
dependable varies over time, like I described to you.
And then here we are in the reign of current King,
King Bhumipol or Rama the 9th.
We have all of that combined and because he reigns for so long of a time,
60 some years now.The Chakri Dynasty
was the starter of this so called Rattanakorin Rattanakosin period.
His being in Thailand has been promoted to the state of myth.
People donít know whether or
not they are talking about the realities or believe about him because he
reigns long enough that he could be all of those combined, the traditional
King, the scientific King, the developing King., the working monarch.
And now so, he can still be the guardian of the new invention to Thailand
So all of that have been in front of us, that we have all these variables
that we have to rearrange and put in a new order.
We missed some opportunities in the past like when
Pridi Panomyong, the civilian
leader of the revolution of 1932, 2475 for Thai people that the
system was turned from absolute monarchy
into constitutional monarchy that was during the reign of
King Rama 7th or King Prachatipok, Pridi
said later on he seized power when he was 32 years old and at the age of
nearly 50 he was out of power completely and resided in Beijing for 10
years and then for the rest of his life in France, he never returned to
Thailand, only his address did.
He said at the time that ď When I had power, I donít
know what to do with it, when I grew up and know what to do with it, I no
longer had powerĒ
The idea of having thing at the wrong time has been reminding us that we
probably need a leader to rearrange all of that for us.
You see all of that that I have said to you from the beginning.
It leads to a strong belief among Thai people still that with a benevolent
reign like this we donít actually need democracy.
We are led into to believing that the best form of government is guided
democracy or democracy with His Majesty gracious guidance.
It has a continual development of ideas and beliefs into the current
situation in which I see as a clash or the clash between democracy and
In other words, Thais are made to be comfortable with patronage system.
We start to invent the terms like ďMai
Pen RaiĒ or it doesnít matter or itís alright because there is
no other way to say it.
We invented the system of eh smiling anyway, no matter what happens
because smiles are the way out of a problem.
Thereís simply no other ways at that time; and we invented some saying
some belief like ďค่าของคน คือคนของใครĒ
a personís values is based on whom he belongs something like that. So the
ideas and that the terms like this have been based on a feeling or the
feeling that to be patronized is alright.
I went to the United States as a student in 1992, and I could never
understand at the time why people could be angered by being patronized.
Some friends of mine responded angrily to me and to the people that I saw
them talking to, they said donít
patronize me ! I never understood that because the state of
being patronized is alright! The state of being flattered is fine because
your life depends on others anyway. So to be patronized
is not a sin is not evil but all
that are coming to a big change that is why we are clashing now because
there are enough people who came out and say that
No, we donít want anymore of your damn
The 41% that said
ďNoĒ to the constitution drafted
by the dictators and the dictatorsí followers has been the result of huge
lobbying in the bureaucracy of heavy budget investments to turn the whole
country to a ďYesĒ country, you remember that, it just a week ago. And
some even believe that there some irregularities involved in the process
of you know campaigning for the constitution or the counting of the votes.
But with all of that big brothers tactics combined they got only
56% and that includes the big
billboards around Bangkok and probably outside Bangkok too but I
havenít seem any But saw a lot of them along the Don Muang toll way
from the old airport, Don Muang, that say something like ďwell we
the Thai people have to join the same boat. We have the same fate, we join
the same boat; but whatís remarkable is the name there was put at the end
of the statement it says Yellow Shirt People.
In other words, the Yellow Shirt People combine with all those tactics,
you got only 56% !
That is your big problem.
Thailand is on the verge of change if so.
So what we are talking about between
Democracy and Patronage
system is that people are coming out of age, I think.
I myself grew up in patronage system. I was pampered too. My father served
in the Air Force and he later on became a commercial airline captain of
Thai Airways when it first started.
The first bunch of local pilots. So he was paid in quite a high salary
enough to feed his family, and I wouldnít have to go through the misery of
life that he went through. So I grew up in patronage system too. I treat
my dinners; I mean I treat my dinners for granted that it would always
come to the table. I wouldnít know the feeling of having a dinner tonight
and probably there is nothing for tomorrow but my father did experience
all that. I grew up in that kind of system comfortably so.
I start questioning the notion of patronage system later on when I became
a full time journalist in television and started to probed Thailand and
its society more seriously.
I found that something is wrong.
It took me years and some experience in the
government to understand all this.
Patronage system is problematic because it encourages unequality among
And thatís a direct conflict to Democracy.
It encourages one person into thinking of depending on the other or
It breeds endless number of slaves with a very limited number of masters.
It prevents Thailand from coming out of age.
Thatís why having been educated for so long of a time having braved the
World for so long of a time never had any direct discrimination against
any foreign cultures for so long of a time.
Many of us remain children. (25.16)
You can observe the political fight in Thai politics and you would find
most of them petty.
Itís a childís game, the
way that they play of each other or against each other
because in a patronage system , you
would remain children.
You would remain somebody who depends on others.
So no wonder pettiness is everywhere in Thailand.
You see one of the latest examples happened to the former
Thai Rak Thai party. You may
have read the news that the Election Commission had a problem with the
name of the new Thai Rak Thai party. Eh at that time Thai Rak Thai was not
transformed eh transforming into a new party which is called Peopleís
Power Party or PPP. It was tried to play a trick of changing name or
modifying the name. So people would know that it remains Thai Rak Thai. So
they changed the name and the name was approved by Election Commission.
Then when they found out that the new modified name was abbreviated as TRT
just like Thai Rak Thai, they withdrew that endorsement. They said that
ďno, you no longer use that name itís TRT again, my nightmare is
returning. So in other words, this pettiness is a sample of how we play of
each other in the 20th eh 21st century. (26.56)
So Thaksin as
Prime Minister that I came to work with and grew to like him
personally. He came in and changed all that.
Sleepwalkingly Thaksin has
removed power of patronage from the powers that be and turn it into a
public policies most people can benefit.
I was with him so I knew that he didnít launch those policies
He simply wanted to do his job.
He wants to be liked.
He wants to be loved.
He wants to be a useful rich man.
Thatís simply the way he operates his mind.
But then his easy going way has been in conflict with the patronage system
because it undid most of that, fast in only 5 years.
People of grass roots started
to feel that they have rights.
They have the right to feel that they could be must better off instead of
being a little better than last year.
In other words they simply were given a new choice.
And Thaksin didnít do it to challenge anyone.
But some people felt challenged by what he did and what he has done.
When he won the election for the 2nd time with the
377 seats in a Parliament of
500 it was
never before an absolute majority.
I could tell you behind the scene and of the microphones in future times
that the private observation that I am sorry couldnít reveal tonight, show
that, there are some intimidation in the air right after the election
result was known that Thaksin
won 377 seats among 500 in parliament,
in other words Thaksin was not to be trust because
Thaksin had violated has violated the rules
of being depending on others.
He started to be a Prime Minister that doesnít have to depend on anyone
and that is a sin in a Patronage system.
wrong itís up
to the history to judge.
You can drag him to court or international court of
What matters is what he has put and imprinted in Thailand.
Itís something that people never felt before.
He almost did not do anything for the Bangkok people because he felt that
they didnít need him that much.(30.00)
If you asked Bangkok people or urbanized people what Thaksin had done to
them, it could take them two weeks and they couldnít come up with
But when you ask people at the grass root ,they can cite 10 items that
they felt they were given under Thaksin new system. Was Thaksin
patronizing them in doing that? probably so. But he didnít mean doing that
way and I could tell you out of my personal observation of how he came out
with that kind of policies.
You know that he had planned that in the last 2 years of his second term,
he would be in Thailand only one third of the whole time.
He would spend two thirds of the second, the last 2 years of his
administration traveling the world.
According to his work he would be playing the role a salesman for the
country in the last 2 years but he was deprived from that he was
overthrown while waiting to speak in a general assembly of the United
Right after the coup of the 19th of September 2006, we planned to eh
launch a government in exile but a telephone call from Bangkok changed all
AccordingÖwell in my own opinion that was a mistake, we should have gone
We should have made the CNS, the Surayuth government and the rest of them
We should have made them illegitimate like the Hangsumrin Hunsen regime of
Cambodia years ago we should have made that;
but the telephone call changed all that. So what could we do?
I am a small person in this vast
I was at the time Deputy Secretary General to the Prime Minister and
equivalent to the Deputy Chief of Staff in the President system of the
But it was a small place. So if I could press for it, I would have pressed
for a government in exile.
And if there would be a clash, a physical clash in Thailand so be it.
So we are talking in historical sense that even a Prime Minister who was
put in power by the people, what he did was to release people from
But when the most crucial decision comes, even him made the decision out
of patronage system.
So the deep root of the patronage system is here and that is in direct
conflict with democratization, we have to undo it, we have to personalize
the patronage system by saying that well who keeps patronizing people?
And I believe the time is near to do that; once you were put in jail, itís
alright you can do more time to realize your goal. Itís fine really. The
thing is that I was waiting for the second case that Iím charged with the
so called wire tapping case.
On the 22nd of June during our daily Sanam Luang
broadcast stage I was revealing a conversation of 3 people, a phone
conversation, 2 of them were judges, one in the Supreme court and the
other one is in the Appeals court. One was known to have a close
relationship, presumably homosexual relationship, with the powers that be.
And they were talking to the sense that how we could manipulate the
Kingís statement to punish the
Thaksinís administration and the Election Commissioners that whom they
believed to be siding with Thaksin and the rest of that is history if you
follow the details in Thai news.
In other words, they were forced to face the reality of how this
Patronage system which is the
main element of the aristocracy system of Thailand had been operated, how
they buddy each other and use the personal relationship to change things
around, how they insult people by not endorsing the majority of the
people, how they think that Democracy
has to be guided still.
So the tape itself, eh, would be a big case from now on.
The police charged me and some of my colleagues of illegally wire tapping,
itís not the case, it was intentionally taped by the third person in the
conversation that he would be coming out soon. He is then Permanent
Secretary of the Prime Ministerís office.
So the case would be brought to court.
My intention is not to
prove whether or not I wired tapped it but
I want to bring Khun Prem or
General Prem and the 2 Justices to the court, that
would be my intention and then
I could be facing Khun Prem in Court
and ask him
why such a great leader like yourself decided to
downgrade Democracy like this.
You were a Great Leader, Your Excellency but you
So a once in dispensable leader is now a leader at a very long time in
history. So Khun Prem symbolizes so many
things. We learned from Khun Prem that a good
person when he gets real old and is not the age that matters here, itís
the state of feeling old, in the, in the state of mind of not being
adventurous anymore of reversing to the old times. The good old times that
he is comfortable with, is no longer suitable to be influential in the
So well Iím sorry I have used so much of the time but I just want to say
that the what I found lately in jail and out of jail that Democracy and
Patronage system are, direct, are in direct conflict and the election
which is up coming on December 23rd would not resolve anything.
The situation would be worse after the election because all of the tactics
and the covers would have been used up and the real intention would be
revealed why you couldnít allow Democracy in this country.
When you went to Sanam Luang, if you did, you would the same feeling that
That people in Thailand are no longer
They are adults being forced into eh childrenís eh costumes.
They feel frustrated, physically and mentally, and they are struggling
themselves to get themselves out of that.
I donít know how it would come about but it would come.
So I would end here,
I hope that my opinion would attract some questions and some discussion
after that I would to hear your opinions and your question so much. I want
to know how you perceive Thailand cause many of you have been in Thailand
for so long of a time.
Some of you are real Thailand lovers and I donít
want to shatter that feeling.
So I need to know what you actually feel about it at this point.
Thank you very much.
Before we take questions, can I just ask Khun Ajarn Worapol you had I
think eh some points to add to that. Do you? Is there anything you like to
say now? Or itís entirely up to you. Do you want to speak now or shall we
Later - you can ask Khun Jakrapob
Then the floor is open for any body whoíd like to ask throw questions to
Khun Jakrapop and if there are things he canít answer then Ajarn Worapol
will be happy to fill in as well.
If you are not all racing to the microphones now cause you are all stunned
at the content of Khun Jakrapopís speech I will exert the privilege of
being the moderator Khun Jakrapop and throw you em the first question.
One of the, things, points you said in there,
Thailand needed a leader to rearrange the current institutions at one
I mean you talk about the patronage system being unacceptable and yet you
seem to think that Thailand can only sorted it out by a powerful leader
presumably you are referring to somebody like Khun Thaksin who you worked
You know, doesnít eh wasnít there just as much patronage under Thaksin
Shinawatra and didnít he allow patronage to bring people on board as well?
It might not be him, the leader Iím talking about. Actually I should be
referring to that as leadership instead of leader. Eh what I meant to say
that things have been rearranged and put in the right order by the, the
force of the patronage system.
But when people start to refuse that.
They need a different kind of leadership to help them seeing all this
I donít know anymore than you do, on what the new leadership would look
like, but if you ask me if I have to, to presume that I know and say
something about it, I would say that the new leadership has to continue
reducing the inequality of rights that people in urbanized areas and the
rest of the country have been put upon.
In other words the so called populist policies have to be the key to start
making people believe that they have rights.
And Khun Thaksin he is reaching 60 now you know, and he is quite happy man
and now heís now happier than ever with the Man City. So Iím not even sure
that Khun Thaksin would want to take that role.
He enjoys himself being a famous politician in Thailand, but according to
him, if eh according to him, if eh, if eh, if the owners donít like what
he did, a professional manager like him could be working for other
That kind of attitude is not very revolutionary so the new leadership that
Iím talking about needs to be more revolutionary.
But I, Just pick up on that. Youíre talking about a leader being
Isnít it a better thing if Thailand has fairly weak national leaders but
starts having some much more dynamic politics at a local level if you
start waiting for a savior, a leader to come along youíre surely thinking
in the same terms of patronage that have always existed.
Oh no no. Iím not waiting for the white knight to come and save all of usÖ
no no no. What Iím saying is that, this the state of no white knight. Iím
saying the opposite. This is the state of no white knight. This political
situation will not end like the May incident of 1992. There is no one to
end it because everyone is involved.
You see that there is no referee.
So what would be happing from now on is very unknown, but I guess it would
take, it would take some peoples, heavy hands if you will, for example, to
put it in a more tangible and touchable samples, appoint General Saprang
as Army Chief, appoint General Seripisuth as Police Chief and you will see
Actually you should have done that, they should have done that.
They should appoint the most dictatorial figures into a positions that
need to be democratized, and then we may see something that happens.
When there was a revolution, the leaders of such incident is always
unknown, so I donít know who would lead that.
Thank you, Khun Jakrapop. Can we have the next question please Marwaan
Marwaan Marcar Interpress Service
Khun Jakrapop something you said about there was an attempt by Thaksin to
form the government in exile, Iím just curious could you walk us through
when he was planning to do so and when this call came from Thailand to ask
him not to and who gave this call?
Well eh I went to jail one time, I eh would try to refrain myself from
doing the same thing again.
Well what I could say here is, it was not him who came up with the idea of
a government exile.
Itís from some of us me included and we informally approach certain
countries, I donít want to name countries but not less than 10 countries
on that same night whether or not they would endorse our government exile
and they said they would.
In other words, if he would have gone ahead with that government in exile,
I think he would be he would have succeeded but thatís an if clause, that
an if, what you call it, if situation. Eh .Who made that call, Iím sorry,
I couldnít reveal right now but Iíll beÖ.
Would his name begins with ďPĒ?
Well it is very much in style actually .
Well ah ..that call change the Ö
Eh, he was considering it at that time.
That was the time before he issued that emergency decree on MCOT TV on
channel 9 the time if you remember about 9.20 pm.
That was shortly before that, I was in Bangkok.
Because we kind of knew that something could happen, but he had to go
So he flew from New York to London, and it would be harder to form
government exile in London, as opposed to the United Nations, you see.
So I realize that he put an end to the idea, but it did not come from him.
That is all I could answer. (47.46)
Peter Janssen DPA
Khun Jakrapop Iíve forgotten what you, the word exactly, but you said
something like ďsleep walkingnessĒ, that eh, describing Thaksinís eh, eh
what em, evolution as a hero of democracy .
Em can you elaborate on that?
Do you, do you feel that he really had eh, I mean, was he really
interested in in promoting democracy in Thailand?
I mean wasnít he as Jonathan said, just monopolizing the patronage system
and if he did just sort of sleep walk into this hero of democracy eh eh
image that youíre portraying here I mean is he really a democratic person?
Is he a democratic politician really?
I donít know. And wasnít this just a very accidental hero weíve got here
that you that are promoting at the moment?
He, he was a product, he is a product of patronage system and autocracy
who try to be more democratic than he might ever be.
He battles all the time between being a liberal business person and a
It is his internal conflict and you need to talk to his shrink about that
But the thing is that he is good enough for me to work with because I need
someone, we need someone to lead our way to eh the light at the end of the
If Thailand is deep in patronage system the way that the old timers had
brought Thailand about, there is no need for education why do we need to
go to school, I mean just find some masters and youíll do fine.
Because you wouldnít be allowed to show your education and your knowledge
If you want to have a country full of people with energy and people who
want to change things, you have to provide them with an equal time. I mean
of yourself to express yourself in that society.
To answer Peterís question, I believe that Khun Thaksin has been trying to
People of his generations is hardly democratic, even democratic fighters
turn out to be very dictatorial when you work with them closely.
Some democratic fighters in Thailand beat their wives.
What kind of democracy is that?
So it is a battling between democracy and autocracy that he, along with
the rest of this generation has to do.
I donít presume to say what he is, but eh I am saying that when I said he
is sleep walking into changing policies, what I mean is that, he did not
intend to grab power from the old patronage system, he did not know that
the war was on going, he did not know that poor people have been owned by
Thatís why he blurt out some words without knowing how hurt it might be to
people who heard it.
He said at one point before I became spokesman.
He said it, he said that ďIím tired of this poor manís brokers.Ē
People who talk about poor people and poverty all the time and didnít do a
damn thing about it.
You know you couldnít give people spirit instead of better life.
You cannot give them projects?
They need results.
So thatís how he operates his mind.
Thatís why I think that sometimes he is sleep walking in the sense that he
didnít know the impact of what he did but he realized the impact of what
he did later on.
So what we talking about is a collective leadership actually.
Thaksin was not dictatorial.
I was working with him, I would be the one who will step away from him if
But heís merely a person who stick to the gun and try to get the job done
no leaders of Thai ever like that so it was dictatorial of mind of people
because you stuck to your gun.
You insisted that it had to be done under your leadership and that could
be construed by some people have been dictatorial.
But if you met him in person you spent sometimes with him, you would know
that he is, he doesnít have that grain in his body.
So Iím not saying that he is a superman, but he is better than the old
leaders that I was told eh to respect.
I would rather work underneath a half good commoner than an empty noble.
Thank you Khun Jakrapop. Simon
Simon Montlake from the Christian Science Monitor. Khun Jakrapop, will you
be eh contesting the up coming elections on December 23rd, if so, you
know, which party you will be joining and can tell you us anything about
what that party stands for or may do for Thailand?
And if you decide that will you not be joining this election since you
campaigned against the constitution, will you be doing any other kind of
action whether on the streets or whatever to, you know, to make your
Well thank you Simon, eh we had 377 seats in parliament and we was, we
So maybe the victory in an election might not be the whole thing or the
So eh, all of us, some of us, who were campaigning at Sanam Luang are now
considering whether or not we should be joining the election if you would
join the election it means that we need a new forum to reveal even more.
The election campaign for us would be another Sanam Luang stage, if we
would join the election, but if we would not join the election, it would
mean that we would find something outside the electoral process to do; in
order to protect the system itself if we can, the best way we can.
We are not priding of ourselves of being, you know the guardian of
anything, but we tried, or we would die trying.
The party which I eh we would belong; anything Thai Rak Thai, anything
Thai Rak Thai, it could be called, you know, Thai Love Chinese, you know,
thatís fine, you know, I would belong to that party.
Haha Next question Peter
Hello, Peter Collins from The Economist and maybe I could through a
couple, a a split question to both of you. Em from what we read the PPP
has lots of eh former TRT MPs and I guess enters the election campaign
unless something happens as a front runner, em so a 2 part question: eh 1
what do you think that what will be done to stop the PPP from winning? and
2 what do you both think about a government or a governing party led by
Eh let me make sure that I got your question right, the first question:
what would stop PPP from winning?
What, what what is going to stop. What is going to be done to stop them
The tactics of the other side
Yes indeed, yep, and second is what do you both think of a governing party
or party in the government led by Samak, what sort of person do you think
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